On Saturday, 2 August 2025 04:19:30 CEST Carsten Bormann wrote: > On Aug 2, 2025, at 00:57, Michael De Roover <ietf@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > my MUAs do not always show me List-Id. […] Apple Mail does not. > > It sure does if you want: > Settings ➔ Viewing ➔ Show message headers: Custom… I will look into that further once I get the chance to, thank you! > Unfortunately, the content of that field is ridiculously long, so it takes > too much screen real-estate: > > List-Id: "IETF-Discussion. This is the most general IETF mailing list, > intended for discussion of technical, procedural, operational, and other > topics for which no dedicated mailing lists exist." <ietf.ietf.org> > > I don’t think I’ll keep the setting that shows it. Can't argue with that, the value of that header is.. verbose, to say the least. Choosing to display it on mobile devices' nimble screens, it's an active choice. Perhaps one to be left to the user. > This discussion is yet another instance of “I don’t know how to use X and I > cannot imagine how I would use X so X must be destroyed for everyone” > noise. Clearly, there are people who get good use out of [xxx], and if > anything it should be reenabled on the lists where it isn’t. Granted, I would like to see better management of such "nesting" of "encapsulated subjects". By that I mean "Re: [foo] RE: [bar] Fwd: [baz]" for a subject. We need to figure out which subject matter is most important there, and to replace it with that only. As MTA/MDA operators, we should have authority over that. > Grüße, Carsten -- Met vriendelijke groet, Michael De Roover Mail: ietf@xxxxxxxxxxxx Web: michael.de.roover.eu.org Activisme is pas nuttig, wanneer het kan bereiken wat het wenst te bereiken, binnen de limieten van het huidige systeem. De rest is geschiedenis. -- vim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
