--On Saturday, August 2, 2025 04:19 +0200 Carsten Bormann <cabo@xxxxxxx> wrote: > On Aug 2, 2025, at 00:57, Michael De Roover <ietf@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote: >> >> my MUAs do not always show me List-Id. […] Apple Mail does not. > > It sure does if you want: > Settings ➔ Viewing ➔ Show message headers: Custom… > > Unfortunately, the content of that field is ridiculously long, so > it takes too much screen real-estate: > > List-Id: "IETF-Discussion. This is the most general IETF mailing > list, intended for discussion of technical, procedural, > operational, and other topics for which no dedicated mailing lists > exist." <ietf.ietf.org> > > I don't think I'll keep the setting that shows it. > > This discussion is yet another instance of "I don't know how to > use X and I cannot imagine how I would use X so X must be destroyed > for everyone" noise. Clearly, there are people who get good use > out of [xxx], and if anything it should be reenabled on the lists > where it isn't. It may also be an argument for keeping list names (or the tage they generate) short, which the IETF usually manages to do. Can we get "[ietf]" for this list? :-) best, john