Hello, May I point the list to PeerTube, a FOSS Youtube alternative developed in the realm of Framasoft, a French non-profit actively promoting a decentralized Internet? https://joinpeertube.org/en_US Talking about eating our own dogfood, this project aligns with the initial decentralization principles of the Internet, and with the views carried by DINRG. Best regards, Antoine Fressancourt -----Original Message----- From: Joel Halpern <jmh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2025 8:30 PM To: ietf@xxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Required Google Account to review an IETF meeting. Really? It seems to me the question is whether someone who knows the video distribution space knows of a good service the IETF could use. (No, bittorent is not a service, it is a technology.) People regularly point out for many good reasons that we should not roll our own technology, and then maintain it. So building our own video distribution seems like a non-starter. So what is there that does not require separate sign in from users, does not cost the IETF too much money, and is reliable. (That is not my space, so I simply have no idea.) Yours, Joel On 5/30/2025 2:21 PM, Andy Ringsmuth wrote: > >> On May 30, 2025, at 11:20 AM, John C Klensin <john-ietf@xxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> >> >> --On Friday, May 30, 2025 10:39 -0500 Andy Ringsmuth >> <andy@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >>> >>>> On May 30, 2025, at 9:06 AM, John C Klensin <john-ietf@xxxxxxx> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --On Friday, May 30, 2025 13:36 +0000 "Livingood, Jason" >>>> <Jason_Livingood=40comcast.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>> >>>>>> Yes, that would be the minimum. Offer an alternative that does >>>>>> not >>>>> require opting into a surveillance service. >>>>> You could create an anonymous account and access YT via MASQUE >>>>> proxies… >>>> Jason, >>>> >>>> I thought the goal was to allow people to access those materials, >>>> not only anonymously, but without jumping through a lot of hoops. >>>> Especially if one were more concerned about the hoops and wasted >>>> time than about privacy, anonymous accounts and MASQUE proxies are >>>> just more hoops and, IIR, hoops on a per-access basis. >>>> Actually, the last time I looked, Google didn't require any real >>>> authentication to create one of their accounts. If that is still >>>> true, wouldn't it be easier just to create a special, mostly-bogus, >>>> Google account and use it to access the IETF material rather than >>>> fussing with MASQUE proxies, etc. Definitely not real secrecy, >>>> but, for the many situations for which that is overkill... >>>> >>>> best, >>>> john >>> That's still a lot of hoops though, and Google is incessantly >>> persistent about keeping account info, account credentials, cookies, >>> and all that on the end user's machine. Forget to sign out (which is >>> very easy to do) and suddenly you continue to be tracked everywhere >>> you go, or so it seems. >>> >>> Even if "signed out" if you hit some other random YouTube video >>> somewhere, it's like, oh crap, which account does Google think I'm >>> using or want to use? My company admin account? The personal account >>> I use for some family videos? My son's school Google Classroom >>> account that I let him sign into once a few years ago? >>> The church account that me and the music director and the musicians >>> and the other sound techs use for sharing stuff for Sunday worship? >> No disagreement with any of that. But, IMO, that just makes the case >> stronger for having a repository for the videos somewhere else, not >> trying to play games accessing files in Google space while trying to >> avoid their watching. >> >> john > > John, yes, ABSOLUTELY agreed. I don’t like the Google cancer at all. I wholeheartedly support having these in a non-Google environment. I use Google as little as possible, but in many cases it is unavoidable. I’m all for distancing myself from it as much as I can. > > > -Andy
