It seems to me the question is whether someone who knows the video
distribution space knows of a good service the IETF could use. (No,
bittorent is not a service, it is a technology.) People regularly point
out for many good reasons that we should not roll our own technology,
and then maintain it. So building our own video distribution seems like
a non-starter. So what is there that does not require separate sign in
from users, does not cost the IETF too much money, and is reliable.
(That is not my space, so I simply have no idea.)
Yours,
Joel
On 5/30/2025 2:21 PM, Andy Ringsmuth wrote:
On May 30, 2025, at 11:20 AM, John C Klensin <john-ietf@xxxxxxx> wrote:
--On Friday, May 30, 2025 10:39 -0500 Andy Ringsmuth
<andy@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On May 30, 2025, at 9:06 AM, John C Klensin <john-ietf@xxxxxxx>
wrote:
--On Friday, May 30, 2025 13:36 +0000 "Livingood, Jason"
<Jason_Livingood=40comcast.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Yes, that would be the minimum. Offer an alternative that does
not
require opting into a surveillance service.
You could create an anonymous account and access YT via MASQUE
proxies…
Jason,
I thought the goal was to allow people to access those materials,
not only anonymously, but without jumping through a lot of hoops.
Especially if one were more concerned about the hoops and wasted
time than about privacy, anonymous accounts and MASQUE proxies are
just more hoops and, IIR, hoops on a per-access basis.
Actually, the last time I looked, Google didn't require any real
authentication to create one of their accounts. If that is still
true, wouldn't it be easier just to create a special,
mostly-bogus, Google account and use it to access the IETF
material rather than fussing with MASQUE proxies, etc. Definitely
not real secrecy, but, for the many situations for which that is
overkill...
best,
john
That's still a lot of hoops though, and Google is incessantly
persistent about keeping account info, account credentials,
cookies, and all that on the end user's machine. Forget to sign
out (which is very easy to do) and suddenly you continue to be
tracked everywhere you go, or so it seems.
Even if "signed out" if you hit some other random YouTube video
somewhere, it's like, oh crap, which account does Google think
I'm using or want to use? My company admin account? The personal
account I use for some family videos? My son's school Google
Classroom account that I let him sign into once a few years ago?
The church account that me and the music director and the musicians
and the other sound techs use for sharing stuff for Sunday worship?
No disagreement with any of that. But, IMO, that just makes the case
stronger for having a repository for the videos somewhere else, not
trying to play games accessing files in Google space while trying to
avoid their watching.
john
John, yes, ABSOLUTELY agreed. I don’t like the Google cancer at all. I wholeheartedly support having these in a non-Google environment. I use Google as little as possible, but in many cases it is unavoidable. I’m all for distancing myself from it as much as I can.
-Andy
