> On May 30, 2025, at 11:20 AM, John C Klensin <john-ietf@xxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > --On Friday, May 30, 2025 10:39 -0500 Andy Ringsmuth > <andy@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> >> >>> On May 30, 2025, at 9:06 AM, John C Klensin <john-ietf@xxxxxxx> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> --On Friday, May 30, 2025 13:36 +0000 "Livingood, Jason" >>> <Jason_Livingood=40comcast.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >>>>> Yes, that would be the minimum. Offer an alternative that does >>>>> not >>>> require opting into a surveillance service. >>>> You could create an anonymous account and access YT via MASQUE >>>> proxies… >>> >>> Jason, >>> >>> I thought the goal was to allow people to access those materials, >>> not only anonymously, but without jumping through a lot of hoops. >>> Especially if one were more concerned about the hoops and wasted >>> time than about privacy, anonymous accounts and MASQUE proxies are >>> just more hoops and, IIR, hoops on a per-access basis. >>> Actually, the last time I looked, Google didn't require any real >>> authentication to create one of their accounts. If that is still >>> true, wouldn't it be easier just to create a special, >>> mostly-bogus, Google account and use it to access the IETF >>> material rather than fussing with MASQUE proxies, etc. Definitely >>> not real secrecy, but, for the many situations for which that is >>> overkill... >>> >>> best, >>> john >> >> That's still a lot of hoops though, and Google is incessantly >> persistent about keeping account info, account credentials, >> cookies, and all that on the end user's machine. Forget to sign >> out (which is very easy to do) and suddenly you continue to be >> tracked everywhere you go, or so it seems. >> >> Even if "signed out" if you hit some other random YouTube video >> somewhere, it's like, oh crap, which account does Google think >> I'm using or want to use? My company admin account? The personal >> account I use for some family videos? My son's school Google >> Classroom account that I let him sign into once a few years ago? >> The church account that me and the music director and the musicians >> and the other sound techs use for sharing stuff for Sunday worship? > > No disagreement with any of that. But, IMO, that just makes the case > stronger for having a repository for the videos somewhere else, not > trying to play games accessing files in Google space while trying to > avoid their watching. > > john John, yes, ABSOLUTELY agreed. I don’t like the Google cancer at all. I wholeheartedly support having these in a non-Google environment. I use Google as little as possible, but in many cases it is unavoidable. I’m all for distancing myself from it as much as I can. -Andy
