Re: Managing expectations, of mailing lists

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Hi Tom,

On Sunday, 24 August 2025 12:11:46 Central European Summer Time tom petch 
wrote:
> Postorius is not a name that has any associations for me; vaguely classical,
> perhaps, not anything technical.
> 
> I recently wanted to amend my subscriptions to IETF lists, something I have
> done occasionally in my years of involvement.
What do you mean with "amending subscriptions"? Like subscribing to more lists 
or something like that? One of the things that crossed my mind was a listing 
of all the lists that are currently active, but that seemed like a dead end.

> I spent many hours over several days fishing around dead-ends,
> perhaps raising alarms by appearing to be a hacker.
I wonder if people at this level actually look at server logs like that. I do 
have a security-oriented disposition, so it is something that tends to cross 
my mind too. But I find it to be something, that in Dutch we call 
"beroepsmisvorming". Essentially knowing enough about how to break into 
something, that it makes one see burglary in more than others would.

> I see a gap here, that the 'day-to-day front-end to the IETF database'
> should have a pointer, some link, directing a user to Postorius when that
> is where a user can do what he needs to do, as opposed to all the things
> that he can do via the Datatracker.  I see no such indication.
It appears that Postorius is a front-end for Mailman, written in Python/
Django. IETF does maintain a fork of Mailman, at https://github.com/ietf-tools/mailman-fork . In that organization's readme file, I also see Datatracker 
listed. However, I do not see Postorius there. Depending on where such a link 
would be placed, it may have to be forked.

Met vriendelijke groet,
Michael De Roover

Mail: ietf@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Web: michael.de.roover.eu.org

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