From: Michael De Roover <ietf@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: 24 August 2025 12:37 Hi Tom, On Sunday, 24 August 2025 12:11:46 Central European Summer Time tom petch wrote: > Postorius is not a name that has any associations for me; vaguely classical, > perhaps, not anything technical. > > I recently wanted to amend my subscriptions to IETF lists, something I have > done occasionally in my years of involvement. What do you mean with "amending subscriptions"? Like subscribing to more lists or something like that? One of the things that crossed my mind was a listing of all the lists that are currently active, but that seemed like a dead end. > I spent many hours over several days fishing around dead-ends, > perhaps raising alarms by appearing to be a hacker. I wonder if people at this level actually look at server logs like that. I do have a security-oriented disposition, so it is something that tends to cross my mind too. But I find it to be something, that in Dutch we call "beroepsmisvorming". Essentially knowing enough about how to break into something, that it makes one see burglary in more than others would. > I see a gap here, that the 'day-to-day front-end to the IETF database' > should have a pointer, some link, directing a user to Postorius when that > is where a user can do what he needs to do, as opposed to all the things > that he can do via the Datatracker. I see no such indication. It appears that Postorius is a front-end for Mailman, written in Python/ Django. IETF does maintain a fork of Mailman, at https://github.com/ietf-tools/mailman-fork . In that organization's readme file, I also see Datatracker listed. However, I do not see Postorius there. Depending on where such a link would be placed, it may have to be forked. <tp> Thank you for your thoughts. These days, 'amending subscriptions', for me, tends to be unsubscribing to a list that has moved away from my interest (or perhaps I have moved away from it). Once I have (re-)found Postorius, that is easy; Postorius is good. It is remembering that Postorius is the technology that I want, as opposed to activity on the mailing lists per se, that challenges me. Day in, day out, I use e-mail and the Datatracker and those are firmly embedded in my awareness. It is the remembering of the 'once in a blue moon' activities, like unsubscribing, that tax me. Some reminder, such as a link on the Datatracker page, would help me. (Perhaps the maintainers do not want it to be too easy to unsubscribe:-) Tom Petch Met vriendelijke groet, Michael De Roover Mail: ietf@xxxxxxxxxxxx Web: michael.de.roover.eu.org -- vim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.ideapad.internal
