[Last-Call] Re: draft-ietf-raw-architecture-25 ietf last call Genart review

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On Mon, Jul 7, 2025 at 2:10 AM Pascal Thubert <pascal.thubert@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello Behcet :)

long time! Many thanks for your review!

Sure. 



Summary:

This draft reliable and available wireless architecture in the context of
deterministic networking or DetNet, i.e. the draft

complements DetNet for wireless.

Overall, it is a good document, involving huge amount of work, especially I
liked Section 3.1.1.1 3rd and 4th paragraphs explaining wireless single point
of failure.

However it has a number of typos and issues.

Major issues:N/A

Minor issues:

It seems like on DetNet there is currently ongoing research and development
involving TSN in IEEE 802.1 and IETF. I suggest that the document makes it
clear that Sections 4 and 5 describe roughly a design which needs to be
implemented together with TSN as part of link layer.


Makes sense; First paragraph of section 4.3 becomes:
"
4.3.  RAW and DetNet

   RAW leverages the DetNet Forwarding sub-layer and requires the
   support of OAM in DetNet Transit Nodes (see figure 3 of
   [DetNet-ARCHI] for the dynamic acquisition of link capacity and state
   to maintain a strict RAW service, end-to-end, over a DetNet Network.
   In turn, DetNet and thus RAW may benefit from / leverage
   functionality such as provided by TSN at the lower layers.
 "

Nits/editorial comments:

Issues:
Many typos:
Sec. 2 controled -> controlled
2.1.6 massage & 2.1.6 massaged -> message
3.2 recieve -> receive
The assumption us -> is
Along a alternative paths -> along alternative paths
5.1 fucntion -> function

done
 
Please check, possibly reword:
3.1.1.1 2nd par.

edited as:
"

   IP Routers leverage routing protocols to reroute to alternate routes
   in case of a failure.  When links are cabled through the same
   conduit, they form a shared risk link group (SRLG), and share the
   same fate if the conduit is cut, making the reroute operation
   ineffective.  The same effect can happen with virtual links that end
   up in a same physical transport through the intricacies of nested
   encapsulation.  In a same fashion, an interferer or an obstacle may
   affect multiple wireless transmissions at the same time, even between
   different sets of peers..
"

 
Through the games of encapsulation
removed "games"
 

3.2 OODA list Point 2
may also generate knowledge and wisdom such as a trained model for link quality
prediction

Sorry what should I do here ?
 

I think you meant machine learning or ML models here, so I suggested making it specific.

 

On Fig. 6 is there or not tunneling on strict RAW over Detnet?


No, that's the difference with fig 7 where RAW may traverse an uncertain area, in which case packets may arrive too late and be discarded.
 

Isn't it true that in the core network there is a tunnel (like MPLS tunnel) somewhere? I suggested mentioning it here, just a suggestion.
 
5.1
SD-WAN
MPLS-TP undefined



Done

Again, many thanks for your review. Please let me know if more changes are in order.

Please see above.

Behcet 
all the best,

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Pascal
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