Hi Mike,
The updated list sent on Friday, 4 July was indeed intended to reflect
the challenges received up to that point, and not as the final list.
In response to your suggestion to provide clear dates and times, please
find the following timeline:
1 July 2025, 16:02 UTC – Announcement of the list of eligible volunteers
8 July 2025, 16:00 UTC – End of the challenge period
8 July 2025, 17:00 UTC – Publication of the *final* list of volunteers
8 July 2025, 20:00 UTC – EuroMillions draw
9 July 2025, 08:20 UTC – NZ Lotto draw
9 July 2025, 18:00 UTC – Croatian Lotto Loto-7 draw
10 July 2025, 03:00 UTC – US Powerball draw
This schedule also aligns with NZST (UTC+12), summarised in a single line:
2 July, 04:02 NZST; 9 July, 04:00 NZST; 9 July, 05:00 NZST; 9 July,
08:00 NZST; 9 July, 20:20 NZST (NZ Lotto draw); 10 July, 06:00 NZST; 10
July, 15:00 NZST.
Thank you for asking for clarification.
Best,
-- Benno
On 05/07/2025 02:31, Mike StJohns wrote:
Hi Benno - to be clear, you MUST provide a final list BEFORE the first draw is done.
If the list you just sent out is the final one that’s fine, but please say so. Don’t send a changed list after the Euro millions draw happens and expect no pushback.
Wrt to Rich’s note - the code that most people use that implements the selection order outputs … numbers. Requiring us to count down the list and try and figure out if we did it right seems more prone to error than numbering the list and using those numbers at the selected handle. Given that you probably have this list in a spread sheet it’s probably easy enough to just provide a numbered list.
But rich is correct that the process does not require this. Just seems like an easy way to enhance accuracy.
Later, Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 4, 2025, at 15:04, Benno Overeinder <benno@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Mike,
Thank you for your comments. I will jump straight to your point 2.
On 03/07/2025 22:10, Michael StJohns wrote:
2) You need to publish a final numbered list of volunteers BEFORE the Euro Millions number is posted. Ideally, you'd do the preliminary now and update it ( by adding challenge names at the end, and removing challenge names without changing the current numbering. E.g. its the fixed order of the list and the positions that's important, not the sort order of the elements of the list.
I have sent an updated list of the volunteers to the IETF Announce list, with a copy to the IETF Discussion list.
As Rich mentioned in his earlier email in this thread regarding updates to the list, I will follow the same procedure.
Benno Overeinder
nomcom-chair-2025@xxxxxxxx
