> Again, the fundamental problem is that the plenary week is overscheduled for most people
Yes, I was overscheduled, but I used the breaks and lunchtimes and receptions for productive discussions with others. Super useful.
The value of all being in the same place in person...
-- Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2025 12:09 AM
To: Carsten Bormann <cabo@xxxxxxx>; IETF <ietf@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Remote hubs (Was What should we do?)
Carsten Bormann <cabo@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> On 2025-03-28, at 10:26, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> Which is why I am opposed to the growth of the side meetings.
> You are opposed to the growth of *bad* side meetings.
> FTFY.
yes, fair enough point.
If they aren't using meetecho, then they are all bad in my opinion.
>> Either do BarBOFs,
> Can’t hear speaker in noisy bar.
Doesn't have to be noisy.
> No visual support.
That's a feature. Napkins really are a useful tool :-)
> Table at bar too small, bad planning.
More than 5-6 people can't share talking time/token usefully.
> Have to walk out of and into venue, late for next meeting.
That's why the hotels+conference center with a clear lounge/bar are a win.
The Marriot Marquis had a good foyer lounge, but it was still slightly "far"
for some uses. The side-meeting rooms in Bangkok were actually annoyingly difficult to find, or get to/from session rooms.
In my opinion, a purpose of the BarBOF is to be planning for a BOF/virtual-interim meeting.
Again, the fundamental problem is that the plenary week is overscheduled for most people, which leaves too little time/space for ad-hoc pre-BOF discussions.
I think that we should have a new category of virtual-interim-BOF meeting, and they should be allowed (nay: encouraged) to use Meetecho. And it shouldn't count against the "two-BOF" criteria.
(A few BOF-planning groups were told they couldn't use meetecho)
I find the A/V support in the side meetings to still be inadequate, and effectively remote people are always shutout. Given all of the above, my position is that either you do it at at BAR, or you do it as a virtual interim meeting. Anything in between is ineffective and exclusionary.
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Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, Sandelman Software Works
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