Re: Travel Bans and IETF 127

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On Fri, Mar 21, 2025, 15:17 David Lake <d.lake=40surrey.ac.uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

 

I remember when my L1A was up for renewal and I was told that it had to be done in my ‘home’ country and could take an indeterminant time and had a risk of being denied meaning we could not be sure of a return to the US.   Given that our house in the UK had been rented out, we had children in school in the US, life and jobs in the US, etc., that seemed a singularly unhelpful method of control and not overly friendly or welcoming.

Thats is about right.  The CBP officers have always been difficult and depending on which port of entry, you get very different treatment. 

One thing people may want to consider is entering via Canada as the Vancouver, Toronto and Montreal airports have pre-clearance.

Those CBP officers are normally (not always), much better and reasonable (as they live in Canada and understand nuance). 

As for the L1A renewal, sorry to hear.  A re-up of that should (as I understand it), be done as an I-129 via central filing (this is also better as the USCIS processes it and not some random CBP agent at the boarder. 


 

I took the decision that this was far too risky a pursuit even back in 2016 and immediately started planning a return to the UK – I can only imagine how overzealous these apparatchiks have become now that they’ve been given unbridled nastiness...

 

Just like a randome police force, there are some "overzealous" agents which can make life difficult.  Too much power at the PoE to make poor / bad calls.  

regards,

Victor K



From: Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Friday, 21 March 2025 at 08:02
To: Tzadik Vanderhoof <tzadik.vanderhoof@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Andrew Alston <aa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Rob Wilton <rwilton=40cisco.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, ietf <ietf@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Travel Bans and IETF 127

Anyone can be arrested and spurious grounds given to justify the decision.

 

It is very clear that in the case of the Venezuelans kidnapped in defiance of a court order and put in slave labor camps in El Salvador that most are not gang members, they are merely people who happen to have tattoos.

 

While you can loudly assert that the authorities must be correct, the authorities avoided having to justify their claims in court by rendering them to a third country. The court disagrees with your assessment. 

 

This is a lawless administration acting in defiance of the US courts and constitution. You can try to ridicule people for pointing out the facts, but they are facts nevertheless.

 

 

On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 11:37PM Tzadik Vanderhoof <tzadik.vanderhoof@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Is this perception of "risk" based on any evidence? What exactly are you "at risk" of happening to you? Can you point to any example of whatever you're afraid of having happened?

 

I'm assuming you're neither a gang member nor an advocate for a terrorist organization. As far as I know, these are the only types of people that have been affected by any adverse actions, and the only thing that's happened, even to them, is removal from the US.

 

I assumed we were a group of rational thinkers.

 

On Thu, Mar 20, 2025, 9:51AM Andrew Alston <aa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I can say categorically that I will not risk going into the U.S. for the foreseeable future, despite holding a valid visa.

 

Multiple individuals I have spoken to have echoed this sentiment - including people who have pulled out of events like nanog.  The risk is just to great for a foreigner and the situation is to fluid to know what’s going to happen going forward.

 

Andrew 

 

On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 at 16:22, Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

People may be willing, but their families and their employers and the companies that insure their employers may well take a different view.

 

Stewart



On 20 Mar 2025, at 09:20, Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:



Willing and resolute people who understand the importance of supporting Ukrainians regularly take trains from neighboring countries.

Anything else?

 

Regards,

Greg

 

On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 4:15PM Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 4:10PM Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

You wrote:

I don't think we would have continued with a meeting in Kyiv had one been planned.

 

Why do you think an IETF meeting would not happen if it were planned in Kyiv?

 

Destruction of the main airport for a start.

 

 


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