Mary,
I agree with you, but it is becoming unsustainable to interview every nominee. In the last NomCom we had 63 nominees, 57 unique ones. NomCom performed 60 interviews, most of them during the 3rd IETF week (Mon - Thu), as deliberations are most effective in person.
NomCom has 10 voting members and at each interview we need to have 2 NomCom voting members. Some voting members take their job seriously, some less so. Which means, some voting members performed 17 interviews, some as little as 4. And this experience is pretty much the same throughout the years.
Even some of the most experienced NomCom voting members don’t know many nominees, and it makes the job harder, as the interview time is short. Community feedback (pretty similar to reference checks when interviewing for a job) is even more important to asses the nominee in such cases.
This NomCom had up to 15 interviews each day (2 NomCom voting members for each interviewee) (some were done before the 3rd week) and for the most diligent NomCom members, their IETF participation was reduced to being NomCom voting member only. The companies are not sending people to IETF to sit in NomCom interviewing sessions.
As we are all volunteers, we can’t force voting members to do the NomCom work, but many do as see it fit, not as much it required to do.
Something has to change for NomCom process to be more efficient
Dean
On 21 Mar 2025, at 14:51, Mary B wrote:
IETF hasn't been small for the 25+ years I've been participating. I personally do not think that the number of typical nominees is too many to consider interviewing them all. Folks should consider that someone that hasn't been around as long might well be someone that could be a future chair. Showing them some respect and the same consideration as other nominees is not absurd IMHO. And, it provides them the opportunity to better understand the process and IETF as a whole.Regards,Mary.
On Fri, Mar 21, 2025 at 1:46 PM <ivandean@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:NomCom process was designed when IETF was fairly small and almost everyone knew everyone. These days is a bit different.
There are times when NomCom voting members don’t know the nominee, although the nominee is qualified on paper, the community feedback is very important to make the decision to interview or not. Hence, to make it practical, in this day and age, having community feedback started as early as the nomination period has ended, and closed two weeks before the 3rd IETF, NomCom can make more effective selection about who to interview and who not.Dean
On 21 Mar 2025, at 14:27, Donald Eastlake wrote:
Given that the number of nominees is unbounded, requiring the nomcom
to interview them all is absurd. Many years ago, when I was nomcom
Chair, apparently due to some notice of the call for nominations
appearing on some non-IETF mailing lists, as I recall we got about 40
nominations just for IAB many of which had absolutely no background in
or connection with the IETF. We did not interview them all.Thanks,
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d3e3e3@xxxxxxxxxOn Fri, Mar 21, 2025 at 1:55 PM Mary B mary.h.barnes@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
It is NOT ]required that a Nomcom interview all nominees. I certainly think it's the right thing to do and it was the model followed by the Nomcom I chaired. But, I was not interviewed at least one of the times I was nominated in early 2000s.
Mary
On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 8:46 PM Pete Resnick resnick=40episteme.net@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
On 21 Mar 2025, at 7:48, Dean Bogdanovic wrote:
At IETF, the NomCom is required to interview every nominee, which is
highly time-consuming.That does not appear to be true. I can find it nowhere in RFC 8713. Why
do you say it is required?pr
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