On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 12:38 PM Tzadik Vanderhoof <tzadik.vanderhoof@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Is this perception of "risk" based on any evidence? What exactly are you "at risk" of happening to you? Can you point to any example of whatever you're afraid of having happened? > > I'm assuming you're neither a gang member nor an advocate for a terrorist organization. As far as I know, these are the only types of people that have been affected by any adverse actions, and the only thing that's happened, even to them, is removal from the US. > > I assumed we were a group of rational thinkers. Re: advocate for a terrorist organization. Take a look at the Mahmoud Khalil case. He was (is?) a peaceful protester who criticized the indiscriminate killings and treatment of refugees in Palestine, and gave some interviews about the protests on University campuses. He is also a green card holder and legal permanent resident. The current administration is trying to deport him claiming he supports a terrorist organization. This is the face of modern Fascism in the United States. No proof is required for the fascists. You merely have to disagree with them. Jeff > On Thu, Mar 20, 2025, 9:51 AM Andrew Alston <aa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> I can say categorically that I will not risk going into the U.S. for the foreseeable future, despite holding a valid visa. >> >> Multiple individuals I have spoken to have echoed this sentiment - including people who have pulled out of events like nanog. The risk is just to great for a foreigner and the situation is to fluid to know what’s going to happen going forward. >> >> Andrew >> >> On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 at 16:22, Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >>> People may be willing, but their families and their employers and the companies that insure their employers may well take a different view. >>> >>> Stewart >>> >>> On 20 Mar 2025, at 09:20, Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >>> Willing and resolute people who understand the importance of supporting Ukrainians regularly take trains from neighboring countries. >>> Anything else? >>> >>> Regards, >>> Greg >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 4:15 PM Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 4:10 PM Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> You wrote: >>>>> I don't think we would have continued with a meeting in Kyiv had one been planned. >>>>> >>>>> Why do you think an IETF meeting would not happen if it were planned in Kyiv? >>>> >>>> Destruction of the main airport for a start.
