Put another way.... your "fear" of being denied entry to the US, despite having no particular reason to suspect you will be (such as criminal / terrorist links or being an outspoken critic of the US government) should be NO HIGHER than your "fear" of being denied entry to ANY country!
There is NEVER a "guarantee" that you will be adminitted to a country you're traveling to. The US is not unique in this way, even taking into account recent policy changes.
On Thu, Mar 20, 2025, 1:08 PM Tzadik Vanderhoof <tzadik.vanderhoof@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I stand corrected. You are indeed correct Dr Baptiste is not in one of those 2 categories and appreciate being educated on that.My basic contention relevant to IETF members stands. You, as a member, have all the information you need to determine if you are at risk of being denied entry.The vast majority of members are not outspoken critics of the US government, nor criminals, not terrorism advocates.Are you equally critical of say, China, and many other countries, which routinely denies entry to critics of its government?And the worst that will happen is being denied entry. This is the epitome of "low probability plus low impact", which rational decision makers judge as not worthy of influencing behavior.On Thu, Mar 20, 2025, 12:55 PM David Conrad <drc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:Would you consider (say) Philippe Baptiste “a gang member or an advocate for a terrorist organization” (see e.g., https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/trump-musk-french-scientist-detained)?It is not irrational to be concerned non-US citizens may be denied entry to the US (and be required to assume the costs of return).Regards,-drcOn Mar 20, 2025, at 9:36 AM, Tzadik Vanderhoof <tzadik.vanderhoof@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:Is this perception of "risk" based on any evidence? What exactly are you "at risk" of happening to you? Can you point to any example of whatever you're afraid of having happened?I'm assuming you're neither a gang member nor an advocate for a terrorist organization. As far as I know, these are the only types of people that have been affected by any adverse actions, and the only thing that's happened, even to them, is removal from the US.I assumed we were a group of rational thinkers.On Thu, Mar 20, 2025, 9:51 AM Andrew Alston <aa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:I can say categorically that I will not risk going into the U.S. for the foreseeable future, despite holding a valid visa.Multiple individuals I have spoken to have echoed this sentiment - including people who have pulled out of events like nanog. The risk is just to great for a foreigner and the situation is to fluid to know what’s going to happen going forward.AndrewOn Thu, 20 Mar 2025 at 16:22, Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:People may be willing, but their families and their employers and the companies that insure their employers may well take a different view.StewartOn 20 Mar 2025, at 09:20, Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:Willing and resolute people who understand the importance of supporting Ukrainians regularly take trains from neighboring countries.Anything else?Regards,GregOn Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 4:15 PM Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 4:10 PM Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:You wrote:I don't think we would have continued with a meeting in Kyiv had one been planned.Why do you think an IETF meeting would not happen if it were planned in Kyiv?Destruction of the main airport for a start.
