On 9/8/25 03:36 PM, Steven A. Falco wrote:
On 9/8/25 11:59 AM, Scott Talbert wrote:
On Mon, 8 Sep 2025, Steven A. Falco wrote:
I maintain the KiCad packages. We have a new bug report:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2393850
Here is the gist of it:
Fatal Python error: _Py_CheckRecursiveCall: Unrecoverable stack overflow (used -406047 kB) while calling a Python object
I contacted the upstream KiCad devs and got a reply that the following code appears to be the cause:
import traceback
import sys
sys_version = sys.version
wx_version = ""
exception_output = ""
try:
from wx import version
wx_version = version()
# Import wx modules that re-initialize wx globals, because they break wxPropertyGrid
# (and probably some other stuff) if we let this happen after we already have started
# mutating those globals.
import wx.adv, wx.html, wx.richtext
except Exception as e:
exception_output = "".join(traceback.format_exc())
I attached a backtrace for reference. I'm not sure what to do with this. I don't know if it is a python issue or a wxpython issue or something else entirely.
Please let me know if the error suggests anything.
Are you able to reproduce the issue outside of kicad using that snippet above? I cannot.
My hunch is that this might be a pybind11 issue. It looks like kicad is bundling an older copy that may not support Python 3.14.
See: https://pybind11.readthedocs.io/en/stable/changelog.html
Scott
Thanks, Scott. I couldn't reproduce it outside of KiCad either. I've forwarded your notes to the upstream devs.
Steve
Upstream changed their pybind11 to the latest version (3.0.2). I still get a crash as shown in the attached backtrace (frame 5).
If anyone has any further ideas please pass them along.
Steve
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Fatal Python error: _Py_CheckRecursiveCall: Unrecoverable stack overflow (used 1087541 kB) while calling a Python object
Python runtime state: initialized
Current thread 0x00007fffe5347400 [kicad] (most recent call first):
<no Python frame>
Thread 1 "kicad" received signal SIGABRT, Aborted.
__pthread_kill_implementation (threadid=<optimized out>, signo=signo@entry=6, no_tid=no_tid@entry=0)
at pthread_kill.c:44
44 return INTERNAL_SYSCALL_ERROR_P (ret) ? INTERNAL_SYSCALL_ERRNO (ret) : 0;
(gdb) bt
#0 __pthread_kill_implementation (threadid=<optimized out>, signo=signo@entry=6,
no_tid=no_tid@entry=0) at pthread_kill.c:44
#1 0x00007ffff478c383 in __pthread_kill_internal (threadid=<optimized out>, signo=6)
at pthread_kill.c:89
#2 0x00007ffff473218e in __GI_raise (sig=sig@entry=6) at ../sysdeps/posix/raise.c:26
#3 0x00007ffff47196d0 in __GI_abort () at abort.c:77
#4 0x00007fffec31a540 in fatal_error_exit (status=-1)
at /usr/src/debug/python3.14-3.14.0~rc2-1.fc44.x86_64/Python/pylifecycle.c:3155
#5 fatal_error (fd=<optimized out>, header=header@entry=1,
prefix=prefix@entry=0x7fffec631800 <__func__.4> "_Py_CheckRecursiveCall",
msg=msg@entry=0x7fffbd9f1910 "Unrecoverable stack overflow (used 1087541 kB) while calling a Python object", status=status@entry=-1)
at /usr/src/debug/python3.14-3.14.0~rc2-1.fc44.x86_64/Python/pylifecycle.c:3301
#6 0x00007fffec31a8b2 in _Py_FatalErrorFunc (
func=func@entry=0x7fffec631800 <__func__.4> "_Py_CheckRecursiveCall",
msg=msg@entry=0x7fffbd9f1910 "Unrecoverable stack overflow (used 1087541 kB) while calling a Python object") at /usr/src/debug/python3.14-3.14.0~rc2-1.fc44.x86_64/Python/pylifecycle.c:3387
#7 0x00007fffec22351b in _Py_CheckRecursiveCall (tstate=0x7fffec7c5508 <_PyRuntime+315624>,
where=<optimized out>) at /usr/src/debug/python3.14-3.14.0~rc2-1.fc44.x86_64/Python/ceval.c:491
#8 0x00007fffec234c59 in _Py_EnterRecursiveCallTstate (tstate=<optimized out>,
where=0x7fffec56a910 " while calling a Python object")
at /usr/src/debug/python3.14-3.14.0~rc2-1.fc44.x86_64/Include/internal/pycore_ceval.h:216
#9 method_enter_call (tstate=<optimized out>, func=0x7fffdbf99d00)
at /usr/src/debug/python3.14-3.14.0~rc2-1.fc44.x86_64/Objects/descrobject.c:300
#10 method_vectorcall_NOARGS (func=<optimized out>, args=<optimized out>, nargsf=<optimized out>,
kwnames=<optimized out>)
at /usr/src/debug/python3.14-3.14.0~rc2-1.fc44.x86_64/Objects/descrobject.c:444
#11 0x00007fffec3ea680 in _PyObject_VectorcallTstate (tstate=0x7fffec7c5508 <_PyRuntime+315624>,
callable=0x7fffdbf99d00, args=0x7fffbd9f1a30, nargsf=<optimized out>, kwnames=0x0)
at /usr/src/debug/python3.14-3.14.0~rc2-1.fc44.x86_64/Include/internal/pycore_call.h:169
#12 PyObject_VectorcallMethod (name=<optimized out>, args=0x7fffbd9f1a30, nargsf=<optimized out>,
kwnames=0x0) at /usr/src/debug/python3.14-3.14.0~rc2-1.fc44.x86_64/Objects/call.c:856
#13 0x00007fffec482d32 in PyObject_CallMethodNoArgs (self=<optimized out>, name=<optimized out>)
at /usr/src/debug/python3.14-3.14.0~rc2-1.fc44.x86_64/Include/cpython/abstract.h:65
#14 _PyFile_Flush (file=<optimized out>)
at /usr/src/debug/python3.14-3.14.0~rc2-1.fc44.x86_64/Objects/fileobject.c:542
#15 0x00007fffec4a19af in flush_std_files ()
at /usr/src/debug/python3.14-3.14.0~rc2-1.fc44.x86_64/Python/pylifecycle.c:1820
#16 0x00007fffec31a842 in fatal_error (fd=2, header=header@entry=1,
prefix=prefix@entry=0x7fffec631800 <__func__.4> "_Py_CheckRecursiveCall",
msg=msg@entry=0x7fffbd9f1b00 "Unrecoverable stack overflow (used 1087541 kB) while calling a Python object", status=status@entry=-1)
at /usr/src/debug/python3.14-3.14.0~rc2-1.fc44.x86_64/Python/pylifecycle.c:3364
#17 0x00007fffec31a8b2 in _Py_FatalErrorFunc (
func=func@entry=0x7fffec631800 <__func__.4> "_Py_CheckRecursiveCall",
msg=msg@entry=0x7fffbd9f1b00 "Unrecoverable stack overflow (used 1087541 kB) while calling a Python object") at /usr/src/debug/python3.14-3.14.0~rc2-1.fc44.x86_64/Python/pylifecycle.c:3387
#18 0x00007fffec22351b in _Py_CheckRecursiveCall (tstate=0x7fffec7c5508 <_PyRuntime+315624>,
where=<optimized out>) at /usr/src/debug/python3.14-3.14.0~rc2-1.fc44.x86_64/Python/ceval.c:491
#19 0x00007fffec227656 in _Py_EnterRecursiveCallTstate (tstate=<optimized out>,
where=0x7fffec56a910 " while calling a Python object")
at /usr/src/debug/python3.14-3.14.0~rc2-1.fc44.x86_64/Include/internal/pycore_ceval.h:216
#20 cfunction_enter_call (tstate=<optimized out>, func=0x7fffdbf4bab0)
at /usr/src/debug/python3.14-3.14.0~rc2-1.fc44.x86_64/Objects/methodobject.c:428
#21 cfunction_vectorcall_FASTCALL_KEYWORDS (func=0x7fffdbf4bab0, args=0x7fffbd9f1bf0, nargsf=5,
kwnames=0x0) at /usr/src/debug/python3.14-3.14.0~rc2-1.fc44.x86_64/Objects/methodobject.c:461
#22 0x00007fffec352f64 in _PyObject_VectorcallTstate (tstate=0x7fffec7c5508 <_PyRuntime+315624>,
callable=0x7fffdbf4bab0, args=0x7fffbd9f1bf0, nargsf=1, kwnames=0x0)
at /usr/src/debug/python3.14-3.14.0~rc2-1.fc44.x86_64/Include/internal/pycore_call.h:169
#23 _PyObject_CallFunctionVa (tstate=0x7fffec7c5508 <_PyRuntime+315624>, callable=0x7fffdbf4bab0,
format=<optimized out>, va=0x7fffbd9f1bd0)
at /usr/src/debug/python3.14-3.14.0~rc2-1.fc44.x86_64/Objects/call.c:552
#24 PyObject_CallFunction (callable=0x7fffdbf4bab0, format=<optimized out>)
at /usr/src/debug/python3.14-3.14.0~rc2-1.fc44.x86_64/Objects/call.c:574
#25 0x00007fffec3e73ff in PyImport_Import (module_name=0x7fffd7db3cf0)
at /usr/src/debug/python3.14-3.14.0~rc2-1.fc44.x86_64/Python/import.c:4000
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#26 0x00007fffec481be0 in PyImport_ImportModule (name=<optimized out>)
at /usr/src/debug/python3.14-3.14.0~rc2-1.fc44.x86_64/Python/import.c:3423
#27 0x00007ffff64323fc in pybind11::module_::import (name=0x7ffff65ecffd "__main__")
at /usr/src/debug/kicad-nightly-9.99.0-1.20250911git45166bf.fc44.x86_64/thirdparty/pybind11/include/pybind11/pybind11.h:1496
#28 pybind11::globals ()
at /usr/src/debug/kicad-nightly-9.99.0-1.20250911git45166bf.fc44.x86_64/thirdparty/pybind11/include/pybind11/pybind11.h:1592
#29 0x00007ffff64265e7 in SCRIPTING::IsWxAvailable ()
at /usr/src/debug/kicad-nightly-9.99.0-1.20250911git45166bf.fc44.x86_64/thirdparty/pybind11/include/pybind11/pytypes.h:286
#30 0x00007fff87047de9 in operator() (__closure=0x555557bfda30, aToolbar=0x555557e994c0)
at /usr/src/debug/kicad-nightly-9.99.0-1.20250911git45166bf.fc44.x86_64/eeschema/toolbars_sch_editor.cpp:220
#31 std::__invoke_impl<void, SCH_EDIT_FRAME::configureToolbars()::<lambda(ACTION_TOOLBAR*)>&, ACTION_TOOLBAR*> (__f=...) at /usr/include/c++/15/bits/invoke.h:63
#32 std::__invoke_r<void, SCH_EDIT_FRAME::configureToolbars()::<lambda(ACTION_TOOLBAR*)>&, ACTION_TOOLBAR*> (__fn=...) at /usr/include/c++/15/bits/invoke.h:113
#33 std::_Function_handler<void(ACTION_TOOLBAR*), SCH_EDIT_FRAME::configureToolbars()::<lambda(ACTION_TOOLBAR*)> >::_M_invoke(const std::_Any_data &, ACTION_TOOLBAR *&&) (__functor=...,
__args#0=<optimized out>) at /usr/include/c++/15/bits/std_function.h:292
#34 0x00007fff874ef6a4 in std::function<void(ACTION_TOOLBAR*)>::operator() (this=<optimized out>,
__args#0=0x555557e994c0) at /usr/include/c++/15/bits/std_function.h:593
#35 ACTION_TOOLBAR::ApplyConfiguration (this=this@entry=0x555557e994c0, aConfig=...)
at /usr/src/debug/kicad-nightly-9.99.0-1.20250911git45166bf.fc44.x86_64/common/tool/action_toolbar.cpp:337
#36 0x00007fff873fe11c in EDA_BASE_FRAME::RecreateToolbars (this=this@entry=0x5555575ad2d0)
at /usr/include/c++/15/optional:326
#37 0x00007fff86e9de7f in SCH_EDIT_FRAME::SCH_EDIT_FRAME (this=this@entry=0x5555575ad2d0,
aKiway=aKiway@entry=0x555555c42fc0 <Kiway>, aParent=aParent@entry=0x0)
at /usr/src/debug/kicad-nightly-9.99.0-1.20250911git45166bf.fc44.x86_64/eeschema/sch_edit_frame.cpp:194
#38 0x00007fff8627e9eb in SCH::IFACE::CreateKiWindow (this=<optimized out>, aParent=0x0,
aClassId=<optimized out>, aKiway=0x555555c42fc0 <Kiway>, aCtlBits=<optimized out>)
at /usr/src/debug/kicad-nightly-9.99.0-1.20250911git45166bf.fc44.x86_64/eeschema/eeschema.cpp:172
#39 0x00007ffff639bfb6 in KIWAY::Player (this=0x555555c42fc0 <Kiway>, aFrameType=<optimized out>,
doCreate=<optimized out>, aParent=0x0)
at /usr/src/debug/kicad-nightly-9.99.0-1.20250911git45166bf.fc44.x86_64/common/kiway.cpp:427
#40 0x00005555556b5b9a in KICAD_MANAGER_CONTROL::ShowPlayer (this=0x555556a1ea80, aEvent=...)
at /usr/src/debug/kicad-nightly-9.99.0-1.20250911git45166bf.fc44.x86_64/include/kiway_holder.h:58
#41 0x00005555557b3fd8 in std::function<int(TOOL_EVENT const&)>::operator() (this=0x5555565ca7f8,
__args#0=...) at /usr/include/c++/15/bits/std_function.h:593
#42 COROUTINE<int, TOOL_EVENT const&>::callerStub (aData=<optimized out>)
at /usr/src/debug/kicad-nightly-9.99.0-1.20250911git45166bf.fc44.x86_64/include/tool/coroutine.h:513
#43 0x000055555596e9c1 in make_fcontext ()
Backtrace stopped: Cannot access memory at address 0x7fffbd9f3000
(gdb)
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