On Fri, Sep 12, 2025 at 7:04 PM Christopher Klooz <py0xc3@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > Demanding people only interact with you through the forums limits the audience, feedback and input you'll get for your proposals. > > The problem is that splitting the discussion in two media limits the audience you interact and exchange with, and thus also the feedback you can provide: a discussion for knowledge creation & transfer is always iterations of input and output for everyone, not just the proposal owner with many 1:1 conversations but everyone to benefit from everyone's thoughts and considerations. Imho, a major issue in Fedora is that we have atm two groups (potentially with a big gap in between), which some people in between, that very often do not consider each other and do not exchange with each other, just presuming what interests the other might have or simply not taking them into account at all. > > There is a lot of space for innovation and improvement if the groups would more exchange & share opinions but also their reasoning and their "WHY", up to how to do something better. This might cause much more (social and technical) support for everyone. Instead, we sometimes even have hostilities (e.g., often about packaging issues) because one group finds out what the other did, or not did, without them knowing, or they simply do not understand the reasoning because no one took the time to explain in the media they use, and thus also not allow them to give potentially useful feedback or contribution. > > Discourse has become the major point of discussion of Fedora, and although I am an opponent of forcing people from the mailing list to Discourse, I think it is reasonable and a good return on (time) investment for everybody to accumulate change proposal feedback at one place, so that everyone can also read through the thoughts and considerations of others, including all stakeholder groups. Hope that makes sense :) > Most of the people you want to reach for this topic aren't on Discourse and don't want to be. Regardless, with my FESCo hat on, I would reject this on the basis that it's too complex and doing too many things at once. It would definitely need to be broken up into smaller proposals and relevant stakeholders need to be engaged for them. -- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth! -- _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
