Re: Do we need an opt-in for file systems use of hw atomic writes?

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On 19/08/2025 14:39, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
On Tue, Aug 19, 2025 at 12:42:01PM +0100, John Garry wrote:
nothing has been happening on this thread for a while. I figure that it is
because we have no good or obvious options.

I think that it's better deal with the NVMe driver handling of AWUPF first,
as this applies to block fops as well.

As for the suggestion to have an opt-in to use AWUPF, you wrote above that
users may not know when to enable this opt-in or not.

It seems to me that we can give the option, but clearly label that it is
potentially dangerous. Hopefully the $RANDOMUSER with the $CHEAPO SSD will
be wise and steer clear.

If we always ignore AWUPF, I fear that lots of sound NVMe implementations
will be excluded from HW atomics.

I think ignoring AWUPF is a good idea, but I've also hard some folks
not liking that.

Disabling reading AWUPF would be the best way to know that for sure :)


The reason why I prefer a mount option is because we add that to fstab
and the kernel command line easily.  For block layer or driver options
we'd either need a sysfs file which is always annoying to apply at boot
time,

Could system-udev auto enable for us via sysfs file or ioctl?

or a module option which has the downside of applying to all
devices.

About the mount option, I suppose that it won't do much harm - it's just a bit of extra work to configure.

I just fear that admins will miss enabling it or not enable it out of doubt and users won't see the benefit of HW atomics.






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