On Wed, Jul 30, 2025 at 05:59:25PM +0100, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
On Wed, Jul 30, 2025 at 12:36:25PM -0400, Sasha Levin wrote:
On Wed, Jul 30, 2025 at 12:18:29PM -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 16:34:28 +0100
> Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > > Which looked like someone else (now Cc'd on this thread) took it public,
> > > and I wanted to see where that ended. I didn't want to start another
> > > discussion when there's already two in progress.
> >
> > OK, but having a document like this is not in my view optional - we must
> > have a clear, stated policy and one which ideally makes plain that it's
> > opt-in and maintainers may choose not to take these patches.
>
> That sounds pretty much exactly as what I was stating in our meeting. That
> is, it is OK to submit a patch written with AI but you must disclose it. It
> is also the right of the Maintainer to refuse to take any patch that was
> written in AI. They may feel that they want someone who fully understands
This should probably be a stronger statement if we don't have it in the
docs yet: a maintainer can refuse to take any patch, period.
> what that patch does, and AI can cloud the knowledge of that patch from the
> author.
Maybe we should unify this with the academic research doc we already
have?
This way we can extend MAINTAINERS to indicate which subsystems are
more open to research work (drivers/staging/ comes to mind) vs ones that
aren't.
Some sort of a "traffic light" system:
1. Green: the subsystem is happy to receive patches from any source.
2. Yellow: "If you're unfamiliar with the subsystem and using any
tooling to generate your patches, please have a reviewed-by from a
trusted developer before sending your patch".
3. No tool-generated patches without prior maintainer approval.
This sounds good, with a default on red. Which would enforce the opt-in
part.
I don't think we should (or can) set a policy here for other
maintainers. Right now we allow tool-assisted contributions - flipping
this would mean we need to get an ack from at least a majority of the
MAINTAINERS folks.
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Thanks,
Sasha
