On Sun, Jan 19, 2025 at 10:21:45PM +0200, mcaju95@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> I've been thinking about a POSIX-like API that would allow
> read/write/send/recv to be zero-copy instead of being buffered. As such,
> storage devices and network sockets can have data transferred to and from
> them directly to a user-space application's buffers.
Hi Mihai,
You're proposing a particular API. Do you have a kernel side
implementation of something along these lines? Do you have a particular
user space use case of your own in mind, or have you spoken to any
potential users?
> My focus was initially on network stacks and I drew inspiration from DPDK.
> I'm also aware of some work underway on extending io_uring to support zero
> copy.
I've not really been following io_uring work. Can you summarize the
status of their zero copy support and the advantages that this new
API would bring?
thanks,
-serge
> A draft API would work as follows:
> * The application fills-out a series of iovec's with buffers in its own
> memory that can store data from protocols such as TCP or UDP. These iovec's
> will serve as hints that will tell the network stack that it can definitely
> map a part of a frame's contents into the described buffers. For example, an
> iovec may contain { .iov_base = 0x4000, .iov_len = 0xa000 }. In this case,
> the data payload may end-up anywhere between 0x4000 and 0xe000 and after the
> syscall, its fields will be overwritten to something like { .iov_base =
> 0x4036, .iov_len = 1460 }
> * In order to receive packets, the application calls readv or a readv-like
> syscall and its array of iovec will be modified to point to data payloads.
> Given that their pages will be mapped directly to user-space, some header
> fields or tail-room may have to be zero-ed out before being mapped, in order
> to prevent information leaks. Anny array of iovec's passed to one such readv
> syscall should be checked for sanity such as being able to hold data
> payloads in corner cases, not overlap with each-other and hold values that
> would prove to map pages to.
> * The return value would be the number of data payloads that have been
> populated. Only the first such elements in the provided array would end-up
> containing data payloads.
> * The syscall's prototype would be quite identical to that of readv, except
> that iov would not be a const struct iovec *, but just a struct iovec * and
> the return type would be modified. Like so:
> int zc_readv(int fd, struct iovec *iov, int iovcnt);
>
> * In the case of write's a struct iovec may not suffice as the provided
> buffers should not only provide the location and size of data to be sent,
> but also the guarantee that the buffers have sufficient head and tail room.
> A hackish syscall would look like so:
> int zc_writev(int fd, const struct iovec (*iov)[2], int iovcnt);
> * While the first iovec should describe the entire memory area available to
> a packet, including enough head and tail room for headers and CRC's or other
> fields specific to the NIC, the second should describe a sub-buffer that
> holds the data to be written.
> * Again, sanity checks should be performed on the entire array, for things
> like having enough room for other fields, not overlapping, proper alignment,
> ability to DMA to a device, etc.
> * After calling zc_writev the pages associated with the provided iovec's are
> immediately swapped for zero-pages to avoid data-leaks.
> * For writes, arbitrary physical pages may not work for every NIC as some
> are bound by 32bit addressing constrains on the PCIe bus, etc. As such the
> application would have to manage a memory pool associated with each
> file-descriptor(possibly NIC) that would contain memory that is physically
> mapped to areas that can be DMA'ed to the proper devices. For example one
> may mmap the file-descriptor to obtain a pool of a certain size for this
> purpose.
>
> This concept can be extended to storage devices, unfortunately I am
> unfamiliar with NVMe and SCSI so I can only guess that they work in a
> similar manner to NIC rings, in that data can be written and read to
> arbitrary physical RAM(as allowed by the IOMMU). Syscalls similar to zc_read
> and zc_write can be used on file descriptors pointing to storage devices to
> fetch or write sectors that contain data belonging to files. Some data
> should be zeroed-out in this case as well, as sectors more often that not
> will contain data that does not belong to the intended files.
>
> For example one can mix such syscalls to read directly from storage into NIC
> buffers, providing in-place encryption on the way(via TLS) and send them to
> a client in a similar way that Netflix does with in-kernel TLS and sendfile.
>
> All the best,
> Mihai
>
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