If detached mounts are our only concern, it looks like the check instead of: if (!check_mnt(mnt)) { err = -EINVAL; goto out_unlock; } could've been a more relaxed one: if (mnt_detached(mnt)) { err = -EINVAL; goto out_unlock; } bool mnt_detached(struct mount *mnt) { return !mnt->mnt_ns; } not to allow propagation change only on detached mounts. (As umount_tree sets mnt_ns to NULL.) Also in do_mount_setattr we have a more relaxed check too: if ((mnt_has_parent(mnt) || !is_anon_ns(mnt->mnt_ns)) && !check_mnt(mnt)) goto out; Best Regards, Tikhomirov Pavel. On Sun, Jul 27, 2025 at 5:01 AM Andrei Vagin <avagin@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 26, 2025 at 10:53 AM Al Viro <viro@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > On Sat, Jul 26, 2025 at 10:12:34AM -0700, Andrei Vagin wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 24, 2025 at 4:00 PM Al Viro <viro@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 24, 2025 at 01:02:48PM -0700, Andrei Vagin wrote: > > > > > Hi Al and Christian, > > > > > > > > > > The commit 12f147ddd6de ("do_change_type(): refuse to operate on > > > > > unmounted/not ours mounts") introduced an ABI backward compatibility > > > > > break. CRIU depends on the previous behavior, and users are now > > > > > reporting criu restore failures following the kernel update. This change > > > > > has been propagated to stable kernels. Is this check strictly required? > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > Would it be possible to check only if the current process has > > > > > CAP_SYS_ADMIN within the mount user namespace? > > > > > > > > Not enough, both in terms of permissions *and* in terms of "thou > > > > shalt not bugger the kernel data structures - nobody's priveleged > > > > enough for that". > > > > > > Al, > > > > > > I am still thinking in terms of "Thou shalt not break userspace"... > > > > > > Seriously though, this original behavior has been in the kernel for 20 > > > years, and it hasn't triggered any corruptions in all that time. > > > > For a very mild example of fun to be had there: > > mount("none", "/mnt", "tmpfs", 0, ""); > > chdir("/mnt"); > > umount2(".", MNT_DETACH); > > mount(NULL, ".", NULL, MS_SHARED, NULL); > > Repeat in a loop, watch mount group id leak. That's a trivial example > > of violating the assertion ("a mount that had been through umount_tree() > > is out of propagation graph and related data structures for good"). > > I wasn't referring to detached mounts. CRIU modifies mounts from > non-current namespaces. > > > > > As for the "CAP_SYS_ADMIN within the mount user namespace" - which > > userns do you have in mind? > > > > The user namespace of the target mount: > ns_capable(mnt->mnt_ns->user_ns, CAP_SYS_ADMIN) >