On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 12:56:02PM -0400, Tzadik Vanderhoof <tzadik.vanderhoof@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Yes I can. Ordinary people, that are not involved in crime or linked to > terrorism will not be affected in any way. And the worse that will happen > to anyone is to be removed from the US (or placed in detention if they > resist being removed). I would like to point out that this very much does not seem to be true at this time, based on following the news. "Ordinary people" with no links to crime or terrorism are both getting denied entry for reasons that would not have come up before January, and also sometimes being placed in detention when they are willing to leave the country. It is much more risky than many other countries the IETF has met at. Some examples just off the top of my head: * https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/trump-musk-french-scientist-detained They asked to search his phone, found private messages critical of the administration, and denied entry on those grounds. * https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/27/russian-scientist-harvard-medical-school-ice-detention Harvard asked her to bring back samples for the lab, she did not understand the required paperwork, in the past this would have been a minor fine, but this time they decided to revoke her visa over it. * https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/05/i-was-a-british-tourist-trying-to-leave-america-then-i-was-detained-shackled-and-sent-to-an-immigration-detention-centre She was denied entry for a valid reason although one that would likely have not been noticed in the past, but the more serious issue here is that she was willing to fly home immediately and had the money for a plane ticket, but instead they placed her in indefinite detention and she only got out weeks later because friends & family were able to get media attention. These are just the few I had on my mind, from memory, when I caught up on some of this thread just now and saw this email. There are many many more examples. Anecdotally, from speaking to coworkers and friends who have travelled to the US in the past couple of months - both as tourists and for work - the questioning and attitudes are noticeably harsher than their past experiences travelling to the US. Not all, but a majority. -- Cos
