On 25-Mar-25 06:42, Joel Halpern wrote:
I am not sure of the purpose of this list. I also think that it misrepresents the evolution.
If "now" meant 2000 as compared to 1986, the list is fairly accurate. But the change in the last 20+ years is rather small and mainly due to the continuous improvements to the data tracker and to the remote participation mechanisms.
For example, there were ~120 WGs the first time I counted in about 2005, and 329 RFCs are dated 2005. There are ~130 WGs today and 177 RFCs are dated 2024. I see no evidence that the objective workload has increased substantially in the last 20 years.
On the one hand, the number of working groups per AD has not changed as much as you think (when I was Routing AD, I was the only routing AD. There are now 3, And there were plenty of WGs then.)
There were 13 ADs in 2005, and 14 ADs in 2024. You have to go back to 1990 to find an IESG with 10 or fewer members. The rate of growth has been very slow.
And while the tooling has improved dramatically to help the ADs, I don't see that as changing the job.
Well, it's clearly made it easier to do the tedious part of the work. Of course, the human interaction part is still what it always was.
I could continue.
Ditto.
Regards,
Brian
Yours,
Joel
On 3/24/2025 8:11 AM, ivandean@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
Hello,
Multiple discussion on the email lists, in person, plenary and being NomCom chair for the past 12 months, let me to think about the AD role and how it has changed over the years (we could say decades). What do we want AD to be? It is getting harder and harder to get nominees for AD positions and it could be due to ever expanding responsibilities. Maybe we have to be more critical in what work we are adopting, break up the workload types between different roles, maybe we have to use more tools to help reduce the AD workloads, but going forward people expecting ADs to be everything under the Sun is not sustainable.
*1. Growth in Scale and Complexity*
Early Days: Initially, ADs managed fewer Working Groups (WGs), had smaller workloads, and focused on a more limited set of protocols.
Now: Today, ADs manage larger portfolios of WGs, deal with broader technical and governance responsibilities, and handle a significantly larger volume of documents and drafts.
*2. Administrative and Organizational Responsibilities*
Early Days: Area Directors previously focused primarily on technical oversight of their working groups.
Now: ADs are expected to spend significant time on administrative functions, governance, conflict resolution, community management, diversity and inclusion efforts, and procedural fairness.
*3. Broader Technical Focus and Cross-Area Collaboration*
Early Days: ADs primarily operated within their own technical domain, rarely interacting closely with other areas.
Now: Todays protocols frequently cross multiple technical areas, requiring ADs to collaborate more broadly across the IETF and IAB (Internet Architecture Board), driving more holistic architectural coherence and interdisciplinary work.
*4. Emphasis on Transparency and Accountability*
Early Days: Processes were somewhat informal, relying heavily on personal relationships and informal consensus-building.
Now: There is a strong emphasis on transparency, accountability, clear documentation of decisions, community consultation, and adherence to well-defined procedures.
*5. Increasing Workload and Demand for Professionalization*
Early Days: AD roles could often be filled by volunteers without formal organizational support.
Now: Due to increasing demands, many ADs require explicit employer support, often negotiating dedicated work time to effectively fulfill their responsibilities. This shift reflects increased professionalization in the role.
*6. Adoption of Tools and Automation*
Early Days: Coordination relied heavily on email, face-to-face meetings, and manual document handling.
Now: Adoption of tools for issue tracking, collaboration, automated workflows, and decision management (e.g., Datatracker, GitHub) has changed ADs’ workflows significantly, making processes more structured and efficient.
*8. Community Expectations and Social Dynamics*
Early Days: The community was relatively homogeneous, smaller, and less global, resulting in fewer cultural or linguistic challenges.
Now: The community is larger, global, diverse, and socially dynamic. ADs have expanded responsibilities to ensure equitable participation, inclusivity, and conflict resolution across diverse cultural backgrounds.
Dean
