Hi Brian, Stephane,
At 12:26 PM 14-02-2025, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
I am no expert on IDNA details or registry operations, but I want
to explain below why I think your objections to this draft are wrong.
On 14-Feb-25 21:14, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
On Thu, Feb 06, 2025 at 01:32:22PM -0800,
The IESG <iesg-secretary@xxxxxxxx> wrote
a message of 38 lines which said:
The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the
following document: - 'Internationalized Domain Names in
Applications (IDNA):
Registry
Restrictions and Recommendations'
<draft-klensin-idna-rfc5891bis-09.txt> as Proposed Standard
Summary: there are big problems with this draft. It should not be
published as-is.
The biggest one is the fact that it spends most time criticizing the
business model of some domain name registries than talking about
internationalized domain names (sections 1 and 4, things like "in a
zone in which the revenues are derived exclusively, or almost
exclusively, from selling or reserving (including "blocking") as many
names as possible"). IETF typically does not talk about business
models of Internet actors
That is generally true, because it is generally irrelevant, but it
is not in any sense forbidden. We do have guidelines on how to
avoid violations of anti-trust and competition law, but they certainly
do not prevent discussion of business models as such. Descriptions of
use cases are extremely common in IETF documents, and those often
amount to descriptions of business models.
The following is from RFC 5039 which was published in the IETF Stream:
"The primary problem with the voice Turing test is the same one that
email tests have: instead of having an automata process the test, a
spammer can pay cheap workers to take the tests. Assuming cheap
labor in a poor country can be obtained for about 60 cents per hour,
and assuming a Turing test of a 30-second duration, this is about
0.50 cents per test and thus 0.50 cents per message to send an IM
spam. Lower labor rates would reduce this further; the number quoted
here is based on real online bids in September of 2006 made for
actual work of this type."
My reading of the above is that some people within the IETF community
discussed economic incentives. I didn't find any rule which prevents
such a discussion within the context of the draft. The question
which could arise is why would it be okay to discuss "labor in poor
countries" (according to Rosenberg & Jennings) and not okay to
discuss domain name registries.
Regards,
S. Moonesamy
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