Re: F43 Change Proposal: Wayland-only GNOME (self-contained)

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Apologies for thread-breaking, I read in digest mode....

On Wed, 23 Apr 2025 12:45:52 +0100, Sérgio Basto <sergio@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> As part of the upstream effort to remove X11 support

In my point of view is huge mistake , I will focus my work on keeping
X11 , and I will fight against the remove X11 anywhere .

As an old-timer sysadmin, I get where you're coming from.  The issue here is "_upstream_ effort to remove X11".  This isn't just something Fedora is doing.  GNOME _itself_ is removing X11 support and the folks who manage this in Fedora are trying to get in front of it so everything is working at its best when we *have* to cut over with no X11 fallback, as far as I can see as an observer.  Also, knowing that it's coming, I suppose we might as well reduce the support burden of Fedora, which is dependent on a lot of volunteer work.

If you're serious about this, you'd need to engage upstream from the distribution, with GNOME and X.Org.  To be honest, I *understand* why they're doing this.  Even in the late 1990s, the security model and design of X11 was a mess, even with xauth cookies.  And the whole point of X11 originally was that it was a platform that could evolve and be replaced.  So, as hard as it might be to see change here, it's probably *needed* change.  And the X.Org upstream...I don't see a long term future there.

I'm not involved in this change, just a regular joe observer.  For what I do, I talk about the software as it is.  (And yeah, I'm taking my hat off for this, I'm not speaking for my employer.)  And I have great respect for why you're saying this.  I just respectfully feel like there's better ways to spend energy here.
 
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