Meeting Jul 1, 2025 at 08:55 CDT
Summary
Jef Spaleta raised concerns about the future of 32-bit support and
whether Fedora might fall under new European legislation regarding
CVEs, while also questioning the current effectiveness of Fedora's
marketing strategy and potential for innovation. Matthias Clasen and
Allan Day discussed the perception of the Workstation edition as stale
and lacking a distinct identity, with Allan Day also noting the slow
adoption of Flatpaks and stalled system integration efforts. Additional
updates include Matthias Clasen's announcement of gdk-pixbuf upstream
releases and Jens-Ulrik Petersen's report on the bustle package
rewrite, alongside ongoing printing issues with the Papers display
server reported by Michael Catanzaro.
Details
32-bit Support Concerns
Jef Spaleta raised concerns about the future of 32-bit support,
particularly with the approaching year 2038 deadline. They highlighted
the challenge of maintaining these libraries and addressing potential
CVEs, especially with evolving legislation in Europe. While Michael
Catanzaro suggested the impact on gamers might be benign and that
essential components could be provided, Jef Spaleta emphasized
uncertainty about Valve's exact needs and the long-term viability of
relying on Ubuntu's 32-bit libraries.
Fedora's Role and CVE Handling
Jef Spaleta expressed concern about whether the Fedora project might
fall under the scope of new European legislation regarding CVEs.
Michael Catanzaro noted that currently, Fedora package maintainers,
including the GNOME desktop team, do not actively track Red Hat's
security tracker bugs unless specifically notified. Tomáš Popela
mentioned that tracking and addressing CVEs has become a duty of the
packager on duty, and they reported having no outstanding trackers.
Fedora Deliverables and Marketing
Jef Spaleta acknowledged a push towards making bootc-based deliverables
a top-tier Fedora offering. They questioned the current effectiveness
of the "editions" model in Fedora's marketing and suggested a need to
discuss the top-level marketing strategy, especially with the
possibility of immutable defaults. Jef Spaleta emphasized that relying
on a single deliverable could hinder innovation.
Workstation Edition and Innovation
Matthias Clasen expressed a feeling within the Workstation Working
Group that the edition might be perceived as stale due to the long
tenure of contributors and a lack of significant new initiatives,
citing Silverblue as an example that didn't fully materialize. Allan
Day echoed this, noting that the Workstation edition lacks a distinct
identity and community feel compared to other more community-driven
editions. Jef Spaleta suggested that a degree of risk-taking and
potential "reputation damage" might be necessary to foster more
innovation.
Challenges with Flatpaks and System Integration
Allan Day mentioned the slower-than-desired adoption of Flatpaks as a
key part of the original Silverblue vision. They also noted that
efforts around systemd integration and overall system improvements had
stalled. Tomáš Popela stated that Flatpak support is progressing,
though perhaps slower than initially anticipated.
gdx-pixbuf and Bustle Package
Updates Matthias Clasen announced that upstream releases of gdk-pixbu
using Glycin are now available and should soon appear in rawhide,
advising users to watch for potential image loading issues. Jens-Ulrik
Petersen reported that the Bustle package has been rewritten to use a
Rust codebase with help from Fabio.
Papers and Printing Issues
Matthias Clasen mentioned progress on accessibility for Papers, the
replacement for the Wayland compositor events. However, Michael
Catanzaro reported ongoing severe issues with printing documents using
Papers, specifically when printing multiple copies. Despite
accessibility improvements in Papers and issues also affecting events,
the printing problems remain a significant concern.
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