Here is Gemini's summary of the meeting. I have edited it to fix the
usual mistakes.
Jun 10, 2025
Meeting Jun 10, 2025 at 08:58 CDT
Meeting records Transcript
Summary
Canonical plans to disable X11, aligning with Fedora Rawhide's current
non-X11 Gnome session, prompting discussions about GNOME Shell
extension development and nested compositor alternatives like Weston,
KWin, and KDE's built-in features, as reported by Neal Gompa (Conan
Kudo). Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) and Tomáš Popela shared their positive
impressions of Flock, including talks on multimedia improvements with
Christian, derivative experiences with Antheas and Noel, Anaconda user
experience, and container technologies with Dan Walsh and Sebastian,
while noting lower community attendance. The participants also
discussed Open H.264 status updates, the Forgejo migration, outdated
website screenshots, and proposed karma policy updates for package
promotion, with Nieves Montero Fernandez and Adam leading the
conversation on implementation, and considered future meeting
invitations for Adrian to discuss gnome-session, systemd, and GDM.
Details
X11 Disablement
Matthias noted that Canonical plans to disable X11 in their next
release, aligning with Fedora efforts. Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) reported
that Fedora Rawhide has already disabled X11, with the current
compositors and tests running against a non-X11 capable gnome-session.
A key user concern is the lack of a clear path for GNOME Shell
extension development without nested mutter, but Neal Gompa (Conan
Kudo) mentioned a potential GNOME Shell SDK coming in the current cycle.
Nested Compositor Alternatives
Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) discussed the ongoing development of a GNOME
Shell SDK to address the lack of nested mutter. While hopeful, they
expressed mild concern about its initial completeness. Neal Gompa
(Conan Kudo) mentioned that users needing nested functionality could
use Weston or KWin, which offer native nesting. They also highlighted
that KDE has advanced built-in nesting capabilities and workflows for
development.
Flock Report - General Impressions and Multimedia
Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) found Flock to be generally good, with
significant interest in desktop-related topics. A major takeaway was
discussions with Christian and others about improving Fedora's
multimedia story, with the understanding that previous constraints are
being relaxed. Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) expects to implement some
initial changes in the coming weeks, with more substantial improvements
over the next year.
Flock Report - Derivative Experiences and Community
Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) had many discussions about making it easier to
build Fedora-based derivatives, specifically with Antheas and Noel from
the Basi team. There were also positive conversations with Anaconda
developers about improving user experience. Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo)
noted a lower attendance of community members, likely due to the
proximity of Red Hat Summit and DevConf.CZ.
Flock Report - Presentations and Workshops
Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) did not present at Flock but led workshops on
multimedia, the initial setup wizard and Anaconda, and building images
with Kiwi. Tomáš Popela also attended Flock and briefly connected
with Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo). Tomáš Popela observed that community
involvement at Flock was similar to recent events in the Czech Republic.
Flock Report - Bazzite Team and Container Technologies
Tomáš Popela was impressed by the Bazzite team's progress in creating
a Fedora-based system, noting their rapid development and adoption of
newer technologies like bootc. He attended a BOF on containers
organized by Dan Walsh, where Antheas from Bazzite shared their
experiences. Tomáš Popela mentioned Sebastian's plans to explore OCI
baked containers and composefs with Flatpak, which resonated with
attendees.
Flock Report - Upstreaming Efforts and Fedora Project Leader
Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) mentioned that Antheas from Bazzite is seeking
help from kernel community members to upstream more of their code,
which is currently a major concern. Tomáš Popela noted a blog post
about the change in the Fedora Project Leader and the related
ceremonies. Tomáš Popela met Jef Spaleta and invited them to a future
meeting, though their current schedule is very busy.
Open H.264 Status
Matthias inquired about the status of Open H.264 and its relation to
multimedia improvements. Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) has a new contact at
Cisco in Germany and is trying to advance progress. Christian and Neal
Gompa (Conan Kudo) are also working on improving things for this codec
specifically. Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) hopes for better out-of-the-box
support in the coming months but will consider disabling the repo if no
progress is made this week, avoiding version or epoch changes. Michael
Catanzaro is fine with waiting another week as Benzheng reported a fix
to their Jenkins instance.
Forgejo Migration
Matthias asked about the status of Forgejo, the replacement for Pagure.
Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) reported that the infrastructure team is
actively working on a migrator for Pagure to Forgejo that aims to
maintain users, comments, and links, minimizing the need for direct
action from their team. Tomáš Popela added that the Forgejo CEO gave
a presentation about Forgejo at Flock.
Outdated Website Screenshots
Matthias raised issue 482 regarding outdated screenshots on the website
and asked for volunteers to help update them. Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo)
offered to guide someone through the process of taking and submitting
new screenshots and can do it themselves in a few weeks when back home.
Tomáš Popela noted that the reporter of the issue is willing to
contribute new screenshots. Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) will reach out to
assist them, having done this for KDE previously. Allan Day suggested
QA for new screenshots, and Matthias proposed having the contributor
attach them to the issue. Tomáš Popela noted that the user has
already added screenshots to the issue. Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) will
review them and help with the submission process.
Policy Updates and Karma
Nieves Montero Fernandez discussed the policy updates with Adam, noting
the default karma is +3 for automatic promotion to stable. Adam
recommended reviewing packages individually, especially critical path
ones, and potentially increasing their minimum karma to 5 or 10. Nieves
Montero Fernandez clarified that packages with negative computed karma
will never be pushed automatically. Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) suggested
turning off auto time and auto karma for full manual control. Allan Day
inquired about Adam's view on minimum testing time, but Nieves Montero
Fernandez stated the discussion mainly focused on karma. Nieves Montero
Fernandez believes increasing karma for complex or critical path
packages while keeping the default for trivial ones is a good approach.
Implementing Karma Changes
Matthias questioned how to implement the karma changes concretely,
especially for packages on duty, and whether a list of critical path
packages exists. Tomáš Popela mentioned a spreadsheet created by Ian
that could be used for this purpose. Matthias suggested adding a column
to mark critical path packages and recommend karma levels. Nieves
Montero Fernandez agreed to take the lead on adding this column.
Meeting Secretary and Future Invitations
Michael Catanzaro pointed out that Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) was
scheduled as secretary but was not reminded to take notes, and noted
that someone took notes in the pad anyway. Matthias was aware and
suggested that the automated transcript might suffice for now. Matthias
mentioned plans to invite Adrian to a future meeting to discuss Gnome
session, systemd, and GDM, noting Adrian's current unavailability due
to new hire orientation and an open source event.
Suggested next steps
Matthias will ask about plans for publicizing the Gnome Shell SDK.
Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) will guide the contributor through the process
of submitting updated website screenshots.
Matthias will ask the contributor to attach new website screenshots to
issue 482.
Neal Gompa (Conan Kudo) will follow up with Cisco on the OpenH264 issue
this week and Matthias will add it to next week's agenda.
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