This meeting summary was generated by Google Gemini and then edited by
Michael to correct a few errors.
May 20, 2025
Meeting May 20, 2025 at 08:40 CDT (somebody must have joined early)
Summary
Jan Grulich raised concerns about inconsistent packaging practices and
proposed standardizing them, with Matthias Clasen, Tomáš Popela,
Allan Day, and Nieves Montero Fernandez agreeing to make the
documentation public. Matthias Clasen initiated a discussion about the
Intel LPMD power management daemon, already in Fedora, with Tomáš
Popela clarifying its purpose for newer Intel hardware, while Michael
Catanzaro expressed a general sentiment about the continuous
introduction of new daemons. Matthias Clasen also proposed installing
evolution EWS by default for better Microsoft 365 integration, a
suggestion supported by Tomáš Popela, Michael Catanzaro, and Felipe,
with Tomáš Popela and Nieves Montero Fernandez volunteering to make
configuration changes. Michael Catanzaro started a discussion on
meeting minutes publication, with Chris Murphy suggesting continuing
both Meetbot and Gemini summaries for about a month to allow for
transition, acknowledging the strengths and weaknesses of each method.
Details
Standardizing Packaging Practices
Jan Grulich raised the issue of inconsistent packaging practices,
noting that some packages use cherry-picking while others prefer
merging, even when merging is feasible. To ensure consistency as
packaging duties rotate, Jan Grulich proposed establishing standard
practices to avoid issues like those caused by diverging branches.
Matthias Clasen agreed on the need for documented practices and
questioned where to put the documentation. Jan Grulich mentioned an
existing internal Red Hat document, but Matthias Clasen suggested
making the guidelines public, possibly on the Fedora wiki or the docs
page. Tomáš Popela proposed making parts of the internal document
public or using an easily editable format like Google Docs linked from
a static page. Allan Day recommended using the project's documentation
page. Jan Grulich clarified that the document suggests merging as the
preferred method, with exceptions for cherry-picking in specific
scenarios and when branches have already diverged. Matthias Clasen
acknowledged the effort and noted that Nieves Montero Fernandez, the
previous packager, had already discussed and agreed with the proposal.
The consensus was to make the document public and treat it as a living
document.
New Power Management Daemon (Intel LPMD)
Matthias Clasen brought up a discussion about a new power management
daemon, Intel Low Power Mode Daemon, that was mentioned in the Matrix
room. Tomáš Popela clarified that it has been part of Fedora for
several releases. The current request, initiated by Hans, is to
pre-install the package by adding it to the hardware comps ground and
create a systemd preset. Tomáš Popela explained that this daemon
allows Intel hardware, particularly newer generations, to enter deeper
sleep states, preventing issues like overheating while suspended.
Matthias Clasen expressed frustration with the frequent introduction of
new power daemons by hardware vendors. The general sentiment was that
while these changes are necessary, the continuous introduction of new
daemons is not ideal. Matthias Clasen suggested following up with
Tomáš Popela to ensure the changes are effective.
Gnome Online Accounts and Evolution EWS
Matthias Clasen introduced an issue regarding Gnome Online Accounts and
EWS (issue 461), proposing to install evolution EWS by default for
better Microsoft 365 integration. Tomáš Popela recalled that Milan
had already done the work to split the lib package, and the current
step involves adding the package to comps. Michael Catanzaro agreed
that this seems uncontroversial and should be approved. The discussion
then shifted to the best way to pull in evolution EWS core, with
options including adding it to comps or using a conditional weak
dependency or recommends in Gnome Online Accounts, Gnome Calendar, or
Contacts. Felipe preferred adding a recommends. The understanding is
that applications will need to handle the case where Evolution EWS core
is not installed. Tomáš Popela and Nieves Montero Fernandez
volunteered to look into making the necessary configuration changes.
Meeting Minutes Publication
Michael Catanzaro initiated a discussion about the future of publishing
meeting minutes. While Michael Catanzaro likes the Gemini summaries,
Chris Murphy noted that Meetbot, which was used for IRC meetings, is
not ideal for the current video format. Chris Murphy suggested
continuing both methods for a while, linking the Gemini notes from the
Meetbot log, to allow for a transition period. Matthias Clasen inquired
about the duration of this dual approach. Chris Murphy proposed a month
or six months, acknowledging the arbitrary nature of the timeline.
Michael Catanzaro suggested another month, suspecting limited direct
usage of Meetbot logs but potential following of email announcements
with Meetbot links. Chris Murphy highlighted that Meetbot minutes are
sometimes consulted for clarifying decisions and logic. Concerns were
raised about Gemini's ability to handle disagreements or voting
accurately, suggesting manual addition of votes to Gemini summaries if
needed. Michael Catanzaro noted Gemini's strength in summarizing
conversations but its occasional lack of domain-specific knowledge,
requiring some correction. The decision was to continue with both
Meetbot and Gemini for approximately a month before revisiting the
approach.
Suggested next steps
Jan Grulich and Nieves Montero Fernandez will look into adding the
evolution-ews package to comps or as a Recommends for
gnome-online-accounts.
Chris Murphy will continue publishing both Meetbot logs and Gemini
summaries of the meeting minutes for approximately one month.
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