Re: [RFC PATCH 1/2] rcu: Add rcu_read_lock_notrace()

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On Thu, Jul 17, 2025 at 8:12 AM Steven Rostedt <rostedt@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 07:57:27 -0700
> Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > I still don't understand what problem is being solved.
> > As current tracepoint code stands there is no issue with it at all
> > on PREEMPT_RT from bpf pov.
> > bpf progs that attach to tracepoints are not sleepable.
> > They don't call rt_spinlock either.
> > Recognizing tracepoints that can sleep/fault and allow
> > sleepable bpf progs there is on our to do list,
> > but afaik it doesn't need any changes to tracepoint infra.
> > There is no need to replace existing preempt_disable wrappers
> > with sleepable srcu_fast or anything else.
>
> From the PREEMPT_RT point of view, it wants BPF to be preemptable. It
> may stop migration, but if someone adds a long running BPF program
> (when I say long running, it could be anything more than 10us), and it
> executes on a low priority task. If that BPF program is not preemptable
> it can delay a high priority task from running. That defeats the
> purpose of PREEMPT_RT.
>
> If this is unsolvable, then we will need to make PREEMPT_RT and BPF
> mutually exclusive in the configs.

Stop this fud, please.

bpf progs were preemptible for years and had no issue in RT.
tracepoints are using preempt_disable() still and that's a
tracepoint infra problem. Nothing to do with users of tracepoints.





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